Making pictures and writing stories for a living is great, until you put them out in front of people, and everything you may ever have enjoyed about it all can evaporate in a moment with one “You suck.”
Making yourself mercifully free of the good opinion of others may render you impermeable, but you might simply be autistic.
I go through periods of feeling comfortable with my work, and criticism flows from me like water off a duck’s back.
But a lot of creators won’t admit any weaknesses at all. It’s like giving their enemies a free shot.
A past acquaintance was one of those foul weather friends who could not resist repeating back to me any doubt I had expressed of myself as if he had just thought of it. He had the imagination of a brick, never an original observation in his entire life, and I finally realized that there was NO FREAKING WAY I could ever tell him a single doubt or concern, because he would be repeating back to me what I had already said of myself, and regurgitating all to everyone in his vicinity as if he had discovered something shiny and dangerous like uranium.
Once I told him how I had used a photo of an actor as a model for a cover painting I had done, and how no one had seen any resemblance because I tried to make it a point to use my reference as reference, and not to merely copy what I saw. I hoped no one would be able to recognize my source, I added.
It took no time at all for him to come back and boastfully declare that he knew exactly what photograph I had used (GOTCHA!) because he had seen it in a magazine and recognized the actor right away, as my foul weather friend is so observant and wise.
Of COURSE he could see a resemblance with that actor of a great sudden (two years after I had actually done the piece) because I had told him I had used the actor as a model. Amazing how he had never seen any resemblance before I told him it was there. I’m looking at the painting right now, and I don’t see any resemblance at all, frankly.
And his sudden revelation was horseshit because he had never seen that photograph in a magazine. I had taken that photograph myself at a convention. It’s never been seen anywhere except in my reference file. But given a little bit of incentive to SEE something because I had TOLD him it was there, suddenly his eyes were opened and he saw a place to niggle me, and went for it.
Neener neener.
Does saying something about yourself or your work give people tacit permission to dive in and have a go?
You know, if you mention to some folks, “Eh, I need to lose a few pounds,” there are those who will respond, “Oh, no. You look great.” Because they know that you are a friend seeking a few words of assurance.
And then there are those who will respond, “Since you mentioned it, you do look fat.”
A few year’s back I had gained about 6 pounds and was trying to drop it to get into this gorgeous evening gown for an important business party. I mentioned this to a small-time writer acquaintance.
While talking to some colleagues about the upcoming party, the acquaintance then piped up “And she’s been trying to lose weight like crazy to fit herself into this gown HYUCK! HYUCK!” Because the addition of a raucuous guffaw when insulting a woman about her weight in front of her business colleagues (people he’d never even met before, they were my colleagues, not his) is just the perfect touch.
Everyone turned to this social inept and glared.
God will be good to them, but if there was a God, he’d have struck that little worm down right then and there. (EDIT:…um, we’re not friends anymore.)
I’ve read that some people use insults to “tenderize” people, to soften them up, the way you beat up meat. The object of the insult may be more open to the advances or the company of people they might otherwise ignore. I’ve read that some guys do this with women in bars, thinking that if they treat a good-looking woman badly in the initial interaction, she will be so surprised by the treatment that she will be more likely to respond to his advances. There are guys who brag about being shot down for a date and they relay clever responses: “Honey, it was just an offer for a mercy f*&^k.” or “I was just trying to do you a favor.”
Whoa, in my book, not dating that guy means I dodged a bullet, but I understand some men expect women to respond to this sort of behavior with heaving bosoms and parted lips.
Any bad experience I had ever discussed will never be forgotten by some, and will be dredged up for maximum effect at the opportune moment. Even if I say, “Let’s not go over this again, it’s painful history” a foul weather friend will never fail to bring it up and chew it over. After awhile, I began to realize this sort of person enjoys the cheap power this gives them.
Initially, someone who feeds your insecurities may seem as if they are being empathetic or knowing, but they may also simply be taking the opportunity to cut you down to a tasty size. If you feel like you can talk about your faults with this person, you might get the impression you are making a connection.
Or you may have just let someone in who is just going to keep digging and digging until you hit rock bottom.
Expressing an insecurity is not a weakness, but some people see it that way. Wolves run when rabbits howl.
Informed criticism can be very good for you, but much of the time the stuff we creators get boils down to “You suck”. And your critic turns out to be the creepy bar guy who wants you to think he talked to you because he was doing you a favor.
In the end, you’re probably your own worst critic anyway.
And this dress does not make me look fat.
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Ick. Why is it they think they are doing you a favor by insulting behavior. “It’s to break you of your dependency!” (excuse used on the current SURVIVOR by “Coach” to a young woman who was in no way “dependant”) I have no patience for that sort of condescension.
But repeating back to you your own self doubts – nasty. But in the end, a bit ineffectual, isn’t it? Because you remember the *real* conditions behind the doubts, which usually have nothing to do with why the person would haul them out again.
And really… YOU? looking fat? I do not BELIEVE it!
No dress makes you look fat.
I *wish* I was my own worst critic. I am always trying to get constructive criticism out of people, but it never works. I’m not doing it anymore. Looking for constructive criticism nearly got me fired at my last job. I’m just going to learn to be harder on myself.
I *wish* I was my own worst critic.
I think it’s important to strike a balance. I tend to be my own worst critic, dwelling on my failures and not my successes. That’s no more productive than failing to acknowledge one’s shortcomings.
I’m fortunate to have a small circle of all-weather friends. They believe in me even when I don’t, and I try to return the favor.
I am always trying to get constructive criticism out of people, but it never works.
In a response to me in a Newsarama thread, J. Michael Straczynski observed that when you ask people to critique your work they will usually feel obligated to find things wrong with it. Not out of meanness, mind you, but simply because you asked. Don’t know if that was the experience you had, but I felt that was very interesting — and accurate — observation.
LOL! I hadn’t meant to repost this! I had put it in my box to let it sit and stew and did not recall that i had postdated it far in the future to give it more thought.
Oops.
Um. Oh well, Hope it reads OK.
Hi Bill,
You know, JMS has critiqued my work, and at no time did I ever get a Creepy Bar Guy vibe from him. Because he actually commented on the work, and made extremely valuable observations. If JMS talks about writing, you listen.
The Creepy Bar Guy chose a moment to engage in giving a woman professional a sexist insult in front of her colleagues because it gave him a moment of cheap power.
The Creepy Bar Guy was not asked to critique my art, and even if he were, lying about how much he knew of the source of my reference would not induce me to respect his opinion. I would not ask him for his opinion in the first place because I did not respect his views on art. He had no eye at all.
I would ask Jose Luis Garcia Lopez what he thought of my draughtsmanship. But not the Creepy Bar Guy.
Creepy Bar Guy spent years cozying up to me and would often brag to others who much he knew about my work and how close we were.
And then one day, I came into possession of letters he had written to third parties in which he revealed he had never even read my work.
What a fine joke on Colleen.
Now THAT’S a Creepy Bar Guy.
Might explain why he always said such stupid crap about it. He had no idea what he was talking about in the first place.
Colleen — I never meant to imply that JMS was a Creepy Bar Guy, but I suppose that’s what I get for posting something not especially relevant to the topic at hand. I was replying to Ray’s remark about the difficulty he’s had in getting constructive criticism. But JMS’ observation was in response to a Newsarama post wherein I recounted what happened when I posted some creative work of my own online and basically asked anyone and everyone to critique it. That’s different from getting a focused critique from a seasoned pro. It probably wasn’t relevant to Ray’s situation, and way off the main topic of the thread. Sorry ’bout that.
ZOIKS! Not at all, Bill. I didn’t think you meant that at all. I was just comparing the valuable and constructive critique one gets from JMS with the cheap power play one gets from Creepy Bar Guy. So, we are in full agreement.
If you ask for a critique, or you have that kind of relationship with someone you trust and the critique is worthwhile and moves you forward, great.
But if it’s just about scoring points, then we can all can do without it.
Getting constructive criticism is tough, but when you find the right person, whether it’s a friend, or a colleague or an editor, it’s gold.
There is a big difference between constructive critizism and someone with an axe to grind. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell the difference.
The best way I have found to tell the difference is that a person who wants to help will mention the positives as well as the negatives. The language they use will be supportive of your endevours. They make you feel good about yourself even after they have given you the critique.
The ones to watch out for are the jealous passive agressive types who say things like “Well you would have had a great piece but (fill in the blank).” or “Don’t worry someday you’ll be as good as (fill in the blank).” People like that are just poison because they tear people down while pretending to build them up and care about their work.
I also consider the source and whether the person knows anything about what I’m working on.
Yesterday I worked on a piece of majolica. The lines needed a lot of work and its going to need some touch ups. I was feeling really discouraged but my teacher looked at me and said, “Do you realize that is the first piece you’ve created out of your own ideas? It wasn’t based on an image. It was 100% you.”
Its things like that that keep me going.
In general, people who tear you down and divulge things said in confidence are not your friends and should be treated with polite indifference. These types thrive on attention and without it they will move on to another target.
And you have never looked fat.
LOL! Well, I wrote about it on my blog without divulging his name. I guess polite indifference was too much for me to handle!
The couple of times I had seen him in person since all this, I pointedly ignored him, though he did make a couple of lame attempts to get people to believe we were working together. He spent years writing fans about me.
I’ve never been able to figure out if he was desperate for attention or thought there was money to be made by knowing me. He had been planning an unauthorized bio.
An incredibly destructive person. My life has been so much happier in the years without him in it.