I started to write down everything I need to do. When I got to four pages I quit, because I thought I was going to have an anxiety attack. With this workload, I need to focus a bit and get off the grid. Especially since someone is going to spoil The Avengers movie for me before I get to see it.
Work is Good, but I’m juggling six assignments and falling behind on chores and shipments of orders. So, time to hunker down.
A few notes:
Our good friend Patrick Ross has been assigned Acting Chief Communications Officer of the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Good luck to Patrick in his new appointment.
As someone with a challenging new day job, Patrick vows to maintain his devotion to the art committed life. Here is a very useful and inspiring post that may help many of you who also struggle with your commitment to your art and your day job.
I spent too many years neglecting my muse. I believed creativity was finite, that when I gave my creativity to my employer, there was none left for my art. But creativity is not a fossil fuel of finite supply that must be transported in pipelines and on ships and driven around in automobile tanks. Creative thinking, I’ve learned, begets more creative thinking.
A judge will decide the fate of the class action lawsuit against corporate behemoth Google, which has somehow managed to convince the public it is the David in this scenario, despite being one of the biggest corporations in the world, worth billions. It demands the court set up a situation where individual authors will not be able to pursue class actions against it. Google’s massive copyright violation actions will have to be dealt with one at a time, by individual authors. At least, that is what Google is hoping the court will decide.
Zack also called the well-funded Google an “intimidating defendant,” and said it would be burdensome and unfair for individual authors to pursue their own claims. She pointed out that while Google is asking for individual scrutiny of copyrights now, the company did not apply any individual scrutiny of copyrights in its own actions, scanning entire collections of books. If Google could apply its program without regard to individual circumstances, it should be possible, Zack argued, to answer common questions of law via a common action, rather than force such questions to be answered in costly, time-consuming individual suits. “This action calls for mass litigation to adjudicate the mass digitization.”
J Michael Straczynski provoked a bit of a firestorm in response to a statement he made on a convention panel about the upcoming project Before Watchmen. The prequels to the important graphic novel by Dave Gibbons and Alan Moore proceed over the strong objections of Alan Moore, despite the language of a contract he signed in the 1980′s. Moore claims he did not understand what he was signing, did not have legal counsel, and that he was misled about the meaning and implications of several clauses of his contract by DC Comics staff, most notably the definition of “in print”.
While I am considerably younger than Mr Moore, I’d already run into some problems with publishers by the time he signed the Watchmen deal, and was well aware of what things like “in print” mean. Of course, I never assigned copyright or trademark interests in A Distant Soil to anyone. Not necessarily because I knew better, but because my early publishers were incompetent small presses who were so lousy at their jobs they couldn’t even effectively rip off a teenaged girl. One sentence added to my contract would have bought them the whole enchilada, and I’d have been none the wiser until too late.
I’m a little confused over the assertion that Moore did not believe the trade paperback collection of Watchmen would stay in print more than a year or two. There were a number of graphic novels of which I am aware which had a much longer shelf life than that by that time. Perhaps Moore wasn’t aware of them. Or he may have been confused by the difference between the definition of “in print” for periodicals, and “in print” for books. Which is an extremely important distinction that, once again, cost one of my incompetent early publishers rights to another property (not mine) because they didn’t know the definition, either.
Anyway, the definition of “in print” makes a huge difference in the scope of your contract, since it is standard for publishing rights to be reserved for the publisher as long as that book stays “in print”. As in, if it keeps selling, they get to keep making books.
J Michael Straczynski made the very pragmatic decision to work on Before Watchmen, as did a score of other notable creators. But it was Straczynski who came right out and stated the obvious.
Did Alan Moore get a crummy contract? Yes. So has everyone at this table. Worse was Siegal and Shuster. Worse was a lot of people.
Which upset a lot of people.
Some people decided to boycott Before Watchmen in support of Moore, even before Straczynksi made his statement.
Here is a portion of Mr. Straczynski’s comments from his FB page:
Writers, artists, actors and others in the entertainment field get routinely screwed in the first parts of their careers. This is not an endorsement of corporatism, not a way of saying that contracts have to be the same in 2012 as they were in the 30s, and it’s sure as hell not a statement of ennui or surrender. I’ve been fighting for the rights of writers since I got into the business. But we all start out in any field being screwed and gradually improve to being treated with some measure of respect, which is how the process has worked since time immemorial.
It doesn’t change because the times change – writers advances on first novels were ridiculously small in 1985 when I sold my first book and they remain small today – it changes as the artist, actor, writer or other professional changes. The business doesn’t become more fair to first-timers or early-stage artists. It will never be fair. You have to force it to be fair to you by being successful. You have to grow big enough to wrestle the machine to the ground and force it to respect you. There is simply no other way to get it done. Never has been, and despite the whining of those bloggers who are blissfully free of obligation and ability, never will be.
So to those who have been dog-piling me online about this, how about you try this approach: next time you want to engage in this sort of calumny, try making it about something I say that is actually untrue, not something you don’t like because you don’t like it being said out loud.
I said that every person on that panel had, at some point, gotten screwed in a contract. And they had. Gradually, they accumulated enough credits, enough of a body of work, enough respect, to be better treated. I spoke truthfully. The process is painful and agonizing. It sucks.
But we all go through it.
ALL of us.
Stating the obvious is not an endorsement, and I’m not seeing one here. I’m not sure I get the dog piling, but that is the way the internet operates.
I know how it is to have a publisher screw you over. When publishers screwed me over, there was no internet, no fundraising for my legal fees (outside of a passed hat with a few friends,) and not a lot of sympathy, either. Almost no one even blinked when my publisher began auditioning artists to take over the book I created. James Owen was one of the hopefuls, and years later, he gave me the original drawings he’d submitted as his test to do A Distant Soil. Tangible confirmation of dirty deeds felt satisfying on the one hand, and like a punch in the gut on the other. As I said, I never assigned my copyright or trademark. My publisher did not have the right to take over my work and hire other people on my book. But back in the day, it was easy for publishers to pull a fast one on a teenaged girl. And no one really cared about it much.
While Alan Moore objects to Before Watchmen, artist Dave Gibbons has his own take on the matter.
I’ve had to sign a few contracts I didn’t love, and fairly recently, but I know what my contracts say. If I don’t like the deal this time, and they don’t give me a better deal next time, I don’t come back. I may be the only freelancer to whom the head of the legal department of a major publisher has said “I love you,” because I can actually discuss the content of my agreement, and get it. I surmise too many creators think they understand the language of their contracts, but they understand the words and not the law. Two different things.
Like “in print” for periodicals and “in print” for trade publishing.
No contract negotiation between an individual creator and a publisher is ever a level playing field, because the publisher is always in the superior negotiating position. If you’re not JK Rowling, you’re not getting JK Rowling’s deals. JK Rowling walked away from her print publishers to create her own audiobook publishing operation. Popular creators have more power than ever to make their own way, resources that didn’t even exist five years ago.
But most creators aren’t that popular.
By the way, as of a couple of years ago, I no longer negotiate my own deals. My agent does.
There’s a lot of bad blood between DC and Moore, and I am not sure I get all of it. I don’t have any more time to devote to 30 years of Alan Moore’s publishing history than he has to devote to mine.
Buy Before Watchmen or don’t buy Before Watchmen.
It’s up to you.
The messenger stated the obvious. Put down the gun.
UPDATE:
OK, I am going to clarify this a bit more because obviously I was too subtle the first go ’round.
I am not telling you to do anything here. I am stating what is.
I would not dream of going up to Amanda Conner to tell her that I think she has made a poor ethical choice in choosing to draw Silk Spectre. I not only won’t do it, I can’t do it. She is a wonderful woman, one of the kindest, most talented people in the business, and I genuinely love her. If you feel you must excoriate her for her decision, that is on you. But don’t come to my blog to yell at me for not joining you.
You go up to her and do it yourself, if you feel so strongly about it.
I know exactly how it feels to have your creation taken out from under you and handed over to other people. Unlike Alan Moore, it was done right under my nose while I was working on my book. When I found out what was going on, it made me sick. The betrayal and pain is as fresh today as it was all those years ago. (It’s not as if it keeps me awake at night, but I’m always watching my back if you get the idea…)
But I have never felt any anger at the artists who were auditioned to draw my book. James Owen and I remain friends.
Here is what I learned from all this, which is what this blog is about. What it has always been about.
THIS IS THE MESSAGE. The horrible ugly paradox of creator rights:
Publishers don’t have any rights you don’t give them.
You don’t have any rights you can’t enforce.
I get letters every single week from creators who signed agreements they don’t understand and can’t enforce. In almost every case, they signed something they should not have signed. There is absolutely nothing I can do for them. No lawyer can help them. A deal is a deal.
If you are not rich or famous, it is highly unlikely there will ever be a pity party for you. There will be no fundraisers. If your contract was violated, it won’t matter how badly you got screwed, you won’t be able to enforce it. You won’t be able to afford to enforce it. Which is just as bad as if you had no contract at all.
The claim that Moore knew he signed a bad agreement, and creators today know better, blah blah, WHAT A LOAD. No newbie creator knows to what extent they signed a bad agreement. They don’t have a clue what they are signing, otherwise they wouldn’t sign that crap. They have no concept of what that document will mean to them thirty years in the future. How could they? There is no way some newbie would have any frame of reference for what any of this means. Everyone thinks it will all work out for the best.
All this blogging about creator rights, and where has it gotten us? Nearly 100 years after the comics industry got started, decades after we wept hot tears over the fates of Ditko and Kirby, people still sign bad agreements and expect someone to save them after the fact.
That doesn’t happen. It’s not going to happen for you, especially.
You can boycott Before Watchmen if you really feel that will make a difference, but it will not alter the fact that this project has been in the works for years already, and it is coming out.
I write this blog, and I write posts like this to remind young creators how this industry works. And this industry doesn’t give you a second chance if you sign a bad deal.
Don’t expect blogs cheering you on, don’t expect fundraisers, don’t expect anyone to remember your plight the week after the blog posts stop getting hits. There will be no help for you.
Publishers don’t have any rights you don’t give them.
You don’t have any rights you can’t enforce.
That is the message.




wait what, one of the early ADS publishers auditioned other artist to take over the book from you? DAYUM
oh I think I know which one, the one that thought they could write it too…
Yes, they did. Three people that I know of, one of them James Owen.
Not that I want anyone to drag out the torches and pitchforks, because that publisher is, as far as I know, dead as a doornail, though may still exist on paper. I really don’t know. Regardless, I don’t care.
But a number of small presses of the 1980′s tried to seize trademarks on comic books by hook or by crook so they could get rid of the original creators at any time they chose and hire a new team.
The long departed First Comics was a prime offender, though, unlike my publisher, they actually got the trademark by having the creator sign a single line clause stating:
“The creator will not trademark the work in his or her own name.”
Since this constituted trademark abandonment, First Comics, as official licensor of the work, swooped in and filed trademark for themselves.
My old publisher thought this was a nifty trick, but did not understand that a licensing agreement was not a trademark transferal. They thought all they needed was a licensing agreement. EDIT: Also, they tried to claim copyright.
The publisher was extremely belligerent and abusive when confronted. He screamed at me, and told me my lawyer did not know what he was talking about.
That was funny.
The really sad thing is, some creators hushed it up when they found out what was going on with the trademark and copyright boondoggle, and did not tell others at the company. Can’t respect these people to this day.
From what I’ve read, some of the “news” blogs tried to portray it as if Straczynski was being flippant and downplaying Alan Moore’s anger. It was spun as if he was saying “So what if Alan got screwed. Everyone has, deal with it.” (i.e., Alan shouldn’t get mad since it’s a common practice).
Obviously with the clarification posted above, that clearly wasn’t the case. Doubt you’ll see any retractions.
I’m not sure how the Google mess will be dealt with. It seems like it should be obvious they’re trying to circumvent IP law and prevent anyone from getting restitution. But never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
I know Joe Straczynski pretty well.
He is not flippant. About much of anything.
It’s a mess of a situation. When I first heard about Before Watchmen, it sounded like a dream gig.
Nightmare, now!
Google doesn’t want anyone or anything to have any IP rights. Except for them. It’s pretty simple.
It’s not that Alan signed a bad contract, we all know that (even Alan).
It’s the whole signing up to work on books that Alan doesn’t want put out and the lame justifications for doing so.
Sigh. OK, don’t buy it.
And since it obviously just sailed over Jaime’s head, the point of the post is DO NOT SIGN IT IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE YOU DON’T GET TO TAKE IT BACK.
You have to live with these decisions and you may have thought it was for what you think “in print” means, and “in print” can mean FOREVER.
And the really ugly truth here that also just sailed right over people’s heads is that the public doesn’t give a damn about your creator rights unless they like your work and you’re famous enough.
It’s an interesting dichotomy to see people say how it’s unfair how various creators were treated (and rightly so) and that said creators should get fair compensation; but yet some of these same people try to justify piracy. Makes very little sense to me.
Not sure whether I’ll be picking up any of the “Before Watchmen” books. I like the work of some of the people working on them but I’ll probably flip through them first before making any sort of commitment.
I had an argument with a guy over his belief that copyright should go back to the days of early America, and be limited to 14 years.
Watchmen came out when?
Do the math.
Creator rights, ha ha.
In the early 1980s, graphic novels published by Marvel and DC were numbered (Marvel Graphic Novel #1, #2, etc) and treated just like comics. Big, expensive, flashy comics, to be sure, but comics nonetheless, and when a new one came out, the old one came off the shelf and into the back issue bins. I’m sure this was the model that Moore imagined for Watchmen. But, if that’s not what the contract said, well…. it’s unfortunate. We live and learn by our mistakes.
I boycotted the New 52. Did it make any difference? Nope.
Will I boycott Before Watchmen? Yep. Will it make a difference? Nope.
DC own these characters and they’re free to do with them as they like. Just as we are free to buy into the publications, or not, as we see fit. I’m sure the BW books will look fabulous, with the creators bringing their A game to the table. I know I’ll miss out on some gorgeous stuff, but I genuinely wish them every success. In these trying times, it’s a brave freelancer that turns down paid work.
We see how well that “Avengers” boycott went.
Oh, wait…
http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/avengers-now-260-5m-overseas-could-reach-585m-worldwide-through-sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/
I was at the C2E2 panel where JMS made the comment that’s caused the latest uproar. Not only was he simply being factual rather than flip, it also seems to have escaped notice that he made that comment with co-publisher Dan DiDio sitting at the same table. There aren’t many who would dare to be that outspokenly critical of their employer’s business practices, even past ones.
Some years ago, I walked off an Archie Comics assignment because the contract was bad, and the publisher would not accept my changes. Like when I crossed out the clause removing my right to say something critical about Archie Comics. Such as, “Wow, that was sad what happened to Dan DeCarlo.”
Archie Comics has one of the worst work for hire agreements I have ever read. This has not stopped name creators from signing up for bad page rates and a chance to work for no royalties. And Archie skates pretty much criticism free, because hey, they made a book with a gay character, isn’t that positive and cute?
Well, yeah, it is, but the industry’s creative rights ire is reserved for stuff people really care about. There’s nothing holistic about it. We cherry pick our causes.
The only thing I got out of walking from Archie was four months unemployment and my dignity, and four months accumulation of debt while I scrambled to fill the gap because I’d cleared my calender for that gig.
If people like you, they support your creator rights. If they don’t, you get thrown under a bus.
When I first wrote “Very Bad Publishers” over ten years ago, some envious creep (we’ll call them ECO) went on a rampage about what a big dope I was, and how I’d walked into the bad publishing situation because I was stupid. I guess I got what I deserved!
ECO’s the kind of person who sort of fixates on someone they think doesn’t deserve what they have (like me,) and spends a lot of time trashing on message boards. Because if they had all my privileges, no doubt rainbows would stream from their ass.
So, “Very Bad Publishers” for them was not an educational article about creator rights, it was a chance to gloat about dumb blondes. Because a creator rights discussion is a great opportunity to wallow in schadenfreude.
Flash forward a few years to one of the few times ECO was able to actually get a publishing contract, and the dumb blonde (oh, yeah, me) is sitting on the advisory board of a creator rights organization. Because that is what dumb blondes do.
And ECO has a problem. “Boo Hoo, my publisher is ripping me off!” Well dang, ECO, that’s sad, let’s have a look.
What ECO was too dim to understand (and remember, “Very Bad Publishers” was about an experience I had when I was about 22 years old, but this person is pushing 50,) is that they had no complaint with the publisher. No sirree.
They’d signed a contract with a BOOK PACKAGER. And they didn’t even know it. (EDIT: Previous Book Packager rants HERE)
Let me repeat that. I’m the dumb blonde for what happened when I was 22, but this brain trust who is clearly of the class who believes that if you were not popular in high school it could not possibly be due to the fact that you are an arrogant, cerebral narcissist, you’re unpopular because everyone is intimidated by your big brain. Sure.
This big brain, I mean, ECO wanted us to take action against a publisher with whom they didn’t even have a contract! They had a contract with the book packager!
Boy howdy, aren’t I just the dumb blonde for pointing it out.
ECO actually thought they were going to make big bucks on this gig, and despite being well into middle age, didn’t have a damned clue what their contract meant. This has not stopped them for throwing their weight around and acting like they know all that and the thang on the internet.
Because if you really want to get good advice, go to creators who have lousy careers and can barely pay attention.
I feel sorry for ECO. I really do. Despite the fact that they are unpleasant and the agent of their own destruction on a regular basis, anyone that messed up engenders my pity.
ECO’s type is as common as crabgrass, but far more pleasant people sign bad agreements they only THINK they understand every single day. And they can’t be helped.
While ECO was all anxious to have us fight the battle against the publisher for them, they lost interest when it turned out the fight was against the book packager. No action was ever taken.
Go figure.
But hey, I supported their creator rights when push came to shove.
But they pushed me under a bus and gloated when I got run over.
(EDIT No, I am not telling tales out of school with this. Years ago when they had a blog, it was all there for anyone to read. And yeah, this is a little harsh, but boy was this unpleasant when it went down. On the one hand, I’d like to hit ECO with a shovel. On the other, I really wish they’d get their shit together. Maybe they wouldn’t be so unpleasant if they did.)
The first problem is that when you are a newbie, you are so grateful for your first big break that you will sign anything that is thrust in front of you.
The second is that contracts are written by lawyers and you need your own lawyer to review and advise on it. Most newbies don’t have lawyers or can’t afford one.
I greatly respect Alan Moore as a creator and I understand that once you been screwed, the hurt never really goes away. But he was hardly a newbie when he signed that contract. In addition, the Watchmen characters were based off Characters that DC had purchased (Charlton) so obviously the ownership of these new characters were going to be central to the contract.
So he made a mistake and is reaping the consequences.
Tangential story:
An employment contract I signed stated that I couldn’t work for a competitor even if my employment was terminated by the company.
I asked my Business Law professor about it and he said that based past cases in Virginia, that if my skills and experience uniquely qualified me to work for a certain industry, then the courts would invalidate that clause.
There is almost always a void provisions clause in every publishing agreement which states that any clause that is not enforcable by law does not invalidate the rest of the contract.
So, if you have a non-compete clause in your contract, and that clause is found to be invalid, the rest of your contract stands, but the non-compete clause gets thrown out.
This is a common clause some schmucks try to slip into freelance contracts, but freelancers are not (usually) bound by non-compete clauses. Freelancers are not employees and have no access to privileged information. There is no valid reason why they should be forbidden to seek work in their area of expertise.
There is one ass out there who puts them in all his agreements and threatens to sue anyone who tries to get work after they work with him. He threatened to sue me about nine years ago.
This dude for whom I freelanced for about two weeks actually tried to prevent me from pursuing other jobs. Kid you not. That includes, teaching, lecturing, doing any kind of instruction, or working in a style that resembled any kind of style of anything he had ever published. Which is an insane demand.
Since the guy doesn’t draw his own stuff, basically, me drawing in my own style would be forbidden in future.
HAHAHA.
It took one letter to shut him up. He made a noise like a hoop and rolled away.
But I’ve got letters from other freelancers who worked with this creep. They are so scared of this dude, they didn’t take other work sometimes for years, because he intimidated them. It’s ridiculous. You can tell these people over and over HE HAS NO POWER OVER YOU and they just crumple when this fraud barks at them. It’s ridiculous.
A non-compete clause cannot, in most circumstances, prevent you from pursuing employment.
And BTW, some publishers will try to convince you that a void provisions clause means that if they violate your contract, the contract is not broken. That is horseshit.
A void provisions clause ONLY provides for the invalidation of a clause that is not enforceable by law, NOT for the publisher’s protection when they fail to honor the terms of their legal agreement.
If your contract is violated, you have the right to seek termination.
not boycotting Before Watchmen; just not reading it. The original stands for itself, imo, I don’t need what boils down to official fanfic made canon to fill in the gaps that aren’t there.
Not because I think Watchmen is blemishless or untouchable, but to me it’s like the sculptor going for One More Chisel and not knowing when the piece is done. But that’s just me. I see the art I see.
That’s perfectly valid. A lot of people don’t read all the prequels and sequels and sons of Lord of the Rings. Not like it’s an artistic betrayal, it’s just they don’t want to go there.
I just had a long depressing fight with someone I really like over this.
My take: you really can’t save past generations. I can’t save Jack Kirby. I can’t fix what happened to that man.
I can try to help young creators.
I am not going to put loads of effort or angst into arguing the past anymore, except as it applies to lessons for the future. I’m done. God, I hope I’m done.
You don’t get to take bad contracts back. Don’t sign them in the first place.
Understand what you are signing. Or don’t sign it.
I don’t think comic book boycotts are useful or productive. I think they stir up resentment and demonize creators, as well as fans.
I don’t want to do that.
If you feel strongly about the ethical issues here, and you feel that you just can’t live without that Marvel movie or that DC comic book, then show creators you care with a donation to The Hero Initiative.
The Hero Initiative’s entire purpose is to make up for the fact that for generations of work for hire creators, there were no benefits packages. There was no soft place to fall when things got rough.
No reprieve from bad contracts.
You don’t get to take those bad contracts back, but you can turn to the Hero Initiative for emergency aid.
Hope you never need it.
http://www.heroinitiative.org/
By “boycott” I just mean I ain’t buying the books. My choice. If others choose to buy them, great. Organised boycotts are, as you say, not useful or productive. I’m sure they’ll be good books, and the only person I’m hurting is myself — cos I’ll be missing out for a point of principle. There you go. Never let it be said I’m not a little bit odd.
I have just donated to Hero. And I’ve not even seen the movie!
@Colleen: exactly, re sequels/series. Loved Dune, tried to read other books after it, including Herbert’s own sequels, had to stop midway through the third one. It’s not just when other people try and pick up the thread after a work, sometimes the original creator is his own worst enemy.
Awesome book? Aztec. Then he wrote a sequel and I wanted to burn it. Now his kids are publishing more in a series and I can’t even look at them.
Same with the Clavell books. Progressively worse as they went on, till the last one, Gaijin, was so bad I think I’ve blocked most of it from memory. Then he died and thank god no one’s trying to write more in the series (yet)
Ringworld? Awesome. Ringworld with vampires? Are you kidding me, Mr. Niven? *sigh*
(caveat: yeah yeah I know, here I am writing my “sequel” to Les Miserables saying all this… but I’m just saying, it’s perfectly valid to NOT want to go further into a work than the work itself. And sometimes the original writer just does not know when to stop, or gets convinced to write moar sequels for money or public pressure… and, yeah)
The Hero Initiative is a great organisation. They are on Facebook also:
http://www.facebook.com/heroinitiative
They recently stepped in to help Tony DeZuniga who had suffered a stroke.
I have been a member since 2009.
Arlnee — what I heard, lo these many years agone, is that Herbert meant Dune to be a single, stand-alone novel. It sold gangbusters, so his publisher kind of insisted he write more. He didn’t want to, but did anyway. I agree that it shows; I stopped reading about where you did. :/
Same with Piers Anthony and the Xanth series, BTW. He planned for it to be a trilogy and then done. Sales went crazy, and his publisher insisted he give them a new Xanth book every year, or they wouldn’t take anything else by him. And of course, any other publisher he might’ve tried to move to would’ve wanted the Xanth golden goose, so…. :/ After the third book, he hated doing them, but he had to if he wanted anything else to get published.
I’ve always wondered how many other series that lasted long after they’d died and the corpse rotted were written under these kinds of circumstances.
Angie
Angie, that’s really interesting. I don’t know the specifics of the Piers Anthony issue, but I’ve heard rumors of this sort of thing affecting other creators. I’ve been lucky enough never to get stuck with a deal like that.
Of course, some creators produce one project that sells, and never produce anything else of value. They are stuck by their fan’s demands, and their own financial needs.
I think we can all run off a list of creator owned projects that were run off the rails by the creators themselves. It’s one thing to have a publisher force bad sequels of your work into print, but I am mystified by creators who betray their own standards. In some ways, I think it’s even worse than having a publisher screw up your work for you.
I like to think if I ever had a ridiculous windfall like some of these people, I’d never waste it living an unreasonable lifestyle, then cranking out substandard work later. Saddest thing that can happen to a creator. Worse even than no success at all? It is to me. At least I never got to the point where I didn’t love what I do.
Colleen — I’m trying to remember where I read that. I know it was something Mr. Anthony wrote himself; I think it was his autobiography. (Which is pretty entertaining.)
And yes, plenty of creators have orchestrated their own train wrecks. I think I’d prefer that (assuming I had to take one or the other) over being forced into train-wreckage by my publisher. At least if I make my own mistakes, they’re mine and I’m more likely to have learned something from them. :/
I like to think if I ever had a ridiculous windfall like some of these people, I’d never waste it living an unreasonable lifestyle, then cranking out substandard work later.
Agree. And this makes me think of an example of the opposite, Viggo Mortensen. From what I’ve read, acting has always been at the bottom of his long list of creative endeavors. Once he hit it big, he started picking and choosing his roles, and he uses the money to fund his small press, which gives publishing opportunities to people who’d have a hard time otherwise, poets and such.
Hollywood is a means to an end for him, not his ultimate goal, so he can handle it with a clear head, and walk away when an offer isn’t up to standard, while focusing on what’s important to him. That’s what success money is for, IMO.
Angie
Angie: Piers Anthony had the same thing with many of his other series too. Especially the Blue Adept series. That was once my favorite trilogy and had a special meaning to me and my ex-husband… then one day I find out that some fan told him how he could revisit the world after closing it off “permanently” and went ahead and wrote what, five more?
And Frank Herbert, I heard the same thing. First the one book. Then a trilogy. Then a few more sequels. And now his son is writing more of them. With no end in sight. I really wonder who buys these books.
When I was a child one of my favorite books was The Egypt Game. Awesome book for a girl with an imagination ^_^ and then years later she writes a sequel and it was so horrible and unimaginative I had to throw it away and reread the original just to make sure it wasn’t a fluke.
Sometimes authors are their own worst enemies that way. I also know an urban fantasy writer who named her main character after a month. She was/is planning twelve books, one for each character which is also named after months. Seriously. Gah.
Personally I’m a big fan of the “begin at the beginning, go on to the end, and then stop” school of writing.
I remember The Egypt Game!
That was a great book. And didn’t the same author write The Changeling? That was my favorite book for a few years when I was 10-12 or so. Those were the only two of her books I ever read; sounds like it’s just as well. :/
Angie
You all make me very glad A Distant Soil has an ending.
OK, I have a partially finished prequel, half published already, but I have NO intention of carrying it all beyond that.
You’ll find this interesting:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7906504/the-surprisingly-complicated-legacy-marvel-comics-legend-stan-lee
Stan Lee is sad over creator rights, apparently.
“I think, if somebody creates something, and it becomes highly successful, whoever is reaping the rewards should let the person [who] created it share in it, certainly. But so much of it is — it goes beyond creating. A lot of people put something together, and nobody really knows who created it, they’re just working on it, y’know? But little by little, the artists and the writers now are a different breed than they were, and most of them, if they create anything new, they insist that they be part owners of it. Because they know what happened to Siegel and Shuster, and to me, and to people like that. I don’t think it’s a problem anymore. They make much more money than they used to make, when I was there. Proportionately.
“Everybody thought that I was the only one that was getting paid off, but I never received any royalties from the characters. I made a good living, because I was the editor, the art director, and the head writer. So I got a nice salary. That was all I got. I was a salaried guy. But it was a good salary. And I was happy.”
I can’t disagree more with Stan’s earlier statement, or the assertion that he’s not rich. He is quite wealthy, and worked out many multi-million dollar deals for himself.
And I think his assertion that creator rights are no longer a problem…good grief.
Another writer who got carried away by the fan response to a created world — Anne McCaffrey and the Pern books. There had been a time when she was a really imaginative science fiction writer, with a lot of variety from book to book. New worlds, new visions. And then came Pern. For a while she still wrote other stuff, but eventually she was stuck and never got off-world again.
Christopher Stasheff and The Warlock In Spite of Himself made the matter of a series work for him. He let the characters grow and age, and then he stopped with them.
One would hope that these days, with more avenues for distribution available to the authors, they won’t let themselves get quite so stuck in writing a series that no longer means anything to them.
I thought about these issues when I was still in the process of creating my fantasy world. Because although there are a lot of stories in that world that I want to tell, I don’t ever want to get into the soap opera never-ending life of some specific character.
That was my intention. But I realized in this last year, as I’m beginning (finally) to see the end of the first novel and started looking for which story to tell next, that since some of my characters are immortals, they actually show up in a number of the differnt stories from vastly different points in the world’s history. Heh.
It’s not easy to resist the pressure of the audience. Sometimes it’s for the good and sometimes you wish it hadn’t happened. I’m very glad that Doyle caved to pressure and brought Sherlock Holmes back from the dead.
This is a very interesting discussion.
I had a terrific exchange with Jeff Smith years ago where I admitted I feared turning A Distant Soil into one long fanfic. And I was determined to cut a huge portion of it to avoid that. I don’t know if I succeeded entirely, but I gave it my best.